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In Ohio there is a petition to get rid of property taxes and it has enough momentum behind it that it most likely will appear on the Nov 2026 ballot. I have been told by a county commissioner if it passes on 11/03/2026 2 things will happen at 12:00 am on 11/04/2026 - 1. Property tax in Ohio will end. 2. A new Statewide sales tax will begin for- anything and everything that someone would pay for..... There will be zero exemptions...
 
In Ohio there is a petition to get rid of property taxes and it has enough momentum behind it that it most likely will appear on the Nov 2026 ballot. I have been told by a county commissioner if it passes on 11/03/2026 2 things will happen at 12:00 am on 11/04/2026 - 1. Property tax in Ohio will end. 2. A new Statewide sales tax will begin for- anything and everything that someone would pay for..... There will be zero exemptions...
It costs a certain amount to run a town/city/state.

You can do away with property taxes but that is going to have to be made up somewhere.
 
It costs a certain amount to run a town/city/state.

You can do away with property taxes but that is going to have to be made up somewhere.
Yes, and that is the stupidity of eliminating the property tax. You will replace a tax that affects mostly property owners, ie the better off half of the population, with a tax that affects everyone, especially lower income people. It will result in a decrease in consumption of all products and services by all groups except the most well off. I know some of the local people pushing this crap. They are extremists to the max.
 
In Ohio there is a petition to get rid of property taxes and it has enough momentum behind it that it most likely will appear on the Nov 2026 ballot. I have been told by a county commissioner if it passes on 11/03/2026 2 things will happen at 12:00 am on 11/04/2026 - 1. Property tax in Ohio will end. 2. A new Statewide sales tax will begin for- anything and everything that someone would pay for..... There will be zero exemptions...
This is part of the "starve the government" movement. What these lunatics don't understand is that property taxes support local governments and schools, not the federal government.
 
In Ohio there is a petition to get rid of property taxes and it has enough momentum behind it that it most likely will appear on the Nov 2026 ballot. I have been told by a county commissioner if it passes on 11/03/2026 2 things will happen at 12:00 am on 11/04/2026 - 1. Property tax in Ohio will end. 2. A new Statewide sales tax will begin for- anything and everything that someone would pay for..... There will be zero exemptions...
This is an outgrowth of the home-schooling movement. Many property taxes support public schools. Since home schooling families don't send their kids to public schools, they don't want to pay property taxes.
 
It costs a certain amount to run a town/city/state.

You can do away with property taxes but that is going to have to be made up somewhere.
How that's accomplished greatly depends on where you live. One of the most absurd things about where I live is that we have on average a million visitors per year for the wineries, festivals and just general ambiance yet have INSANE property taxes. A 1% sales tax on "visitor related stuff" wouldn't even be noticed by them and would give relief to people already burdened by high property values...of course, thanks to Robin Hood laws, 82% of our tax revenue goes outside of the district anyway, so I have no idea why they're this high to begin with.
 
Yes, and that is the stupidity of eliminating the property tax. You will replace a tax that affects mostly property owners, ie the better off half of the population, with a tax that affects everyone, especially lower income people. It will result in a decrease in consumption of all products and services by all groups except the most well off. I know some of the local people pushing this crap. They are extremists to the max.
Property is the highest level of oppression and theft. Period.

No other thing in your life, let alone your most important asset, do you buy but never really own because the government can just take it decades after it's paid off over a perpetual tax they set themselves. I've seen several people have their family's land taken from them or being forced to sell land they've occupied for a hundred years because of an ever increasing amount of annual tax burden.

For me personally, I pay over $15k a YEAR in property taxes because of the logarithmic arbitrary increase in "property value" which is completely meaningless unless I sell...to a school district that has 82% of it's collections sent to other districts.

Your home should be the one thing in your life that can't be taken from you or your children. Find the f'ing money somewhere else...or maybe don't build a multi-million dollar football stadium until you've saved the money or can pay for it with concessions and events.
 
I'll add, since the home school thing came up, if your district teaches things so against your beliefs that you feel you have to keep your kids home or PAY exorbitant amounts to send them to school somewhere else, the idea that you're taxed to pay for those things is ALSO about as unAmerican as I can imagine.

The whole damned thing is just repugnant.
 
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I'll add, since the home school thing came up, if your district teaches things so against your beliefs that you feel you have to keep your kids home or PAY exorbitant amounts to send them to school somewhere else, the idea that you're taxed to pay for those things is ALSO about as unAmerican as I can imagine.

The whole damned thing is just repugnant.
In Ohio, parents can get vouchers from the state that allow them to take their property tax money to a private school, religious or otherwise. But that is not what the home schoolers want.
 
I'll add, since the home school thing came up, if your district teaches things so against your beliefs that you feel you have to keep your kids home or PAY exorbitant amounts to send them to school somewhere else, the idea that you're taxed to pay for those things is ALSO about as unAmerican as I can imagine.

The whole damned thing is just repugnant.
So would you prefer to pay more income tax or more sales tax?
 
So would you prefer to pay more income tax or more sales tax?
Well, let's think about that for a second....would I rather pay $15k annually in property taxes that I or my progeny can lose our home over or hundreds in VOLUNTARY sales tax (because nobody makes you drink alcohol, stay in a hotel, take a wine tour or go out to eat) shared with the million or so tourists? Fredericksburg generates roughly $175M in revenue from tourism alone. A 3% sales tax solely on tourist related activities replaces the entirety of property taxes levied for my entire county.

I'm just not sure, Jon. Which sounds better to you?
 
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Well, let's think about that for a second....would I rather pay $15k annually in property taxes that I or my progeny can lose our home over or hundreds in VOLUNTARY sales tax (because nobody makes you drink alcohol, stay in a hotel, take a wine tour or go out to eat) shared with the million or so tourists?

I'm just not sure, Jon. Which sounds better to you?
Sales taxes are terrible because people can and will just stop spending money and that will hurt every business owner and their employees.
 
Sales taxes are terrible because people can and will just stop spending money and that will hurt every business owner and their employees.
I'm not advocating new taxes, I'm talking about exchanging a big one for a small one and let's be honest. ALL taxes are terrible, but if I have to choose between a sales tax nobody would really notice and a tax that causes people to lose homes THEY'VE LONG SINCE PAID FOR, I'm going with the sales tax.

As I said, my town has a million visitors per year spending right at $175M. A few buck here and there added to their bills won't change that. For that matter, it also spreads the tax burden across EVERYONE (including lots of people who don't even live where you do) vs just the property owners making the bites MUCH smaller and more manageable.
 
In the 80s or 90s it was decided that it was unconstitutional for Ohio to use property taxes to fund schools. All these years later Ohio has still not come up with a fix to that problem.

I was in a meeting with the county auditor and this subject was brought up. He had to answer other than there was scuttlebutt that it was going to be determine that income tax to fund schools would be deemed unconstitutional as well
 
In the 80s or 90s it was decided that it was unconstitutional for Ohio to use property taxes to fund schools. All these years later Ohio has still not come up with a fix to that problem.

I was in a meeting with the county auditor and this subject was brought up. He had to answer other than there was scuttlebutt that it was going to be determine that income tax to fund schools would be deemed unconstitutional as well
It SHOULD be.

You also have to look at the "bang for your buck" too. Are the schools in the US, a place that spends an order of magnitude per student more than the next industrialized nation, getting the tax payer's monies worth? I think we're long past the time when we need to be scrutinizing where our tax dollars are going.
 
It SHOULD be.

You also have to look at the "bang for your buck" too. Are the schools in the US, a place that spends an order of magnitude per student more than the next industrialized nation, getting the tax payer's monies worth? I think we're long past the time when we need to be scrutinizing where our tax dollars are going.
US spending on elementary and secondary educations seems to be in line with the OECD average.

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US spending on elementary and secondary educations seems to be in line with the OECD average.

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I said average spent per student, not spending relative to GDP...and I'd be GREAT, Hell, I'd be a big advocate for all of that spending if our results weren't so terrible relative to the other countries spending considerably less per student.

That's why I said "bang for the buck" and not just "buck."
 
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