Who has natural 20/10 vision?

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Hollywood TV producer (Amazing Race, American's Next Model, etc.) is looking for people with natural 20/10 or better vision for new reality TV show.

Please PM me if you qualify or know someone who does.
 
Hollywood TV producer (Amazing Race, American's Next Model, etc.) is looking for people with natural 20/10 or better vision for new reality TV show.

Please PM me if you qualify or know someone who does.

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I qualify.
 
I USED to be...now at 44, my +0.75 has me at 20/15. I don't think I can rock a full 20/10 anymore.

I'll check.
 
Seriously? Can you tell me what your unaided visual acuity is? Maybe you have a second career ahead of you.

OD 20/10+
OS 20/10-

Edit: And when I did some academia research subject stuff in school I was around 20/8 and 20/7 "ish" with cycloplegia.
 
I USED to be...now at 44, my +0.75 has me at 20/15. I don't think I can rock a full 20/10 anymore.

I'll check.

Yes, me too, although at that size it's almost like guesswork. However, I have had patients read off the 20/10 line with ease and no mistakes which indicated to me that they could go even smaller.

So, anyway I practically own those search terms on Google and that's how I got the attention of this producer. I told him that I knew a number of people who have read the 20/10 line but needed lenses to do it. I guess that's not what he is looking for.
 
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Yes, me too, although at that size it's almost like guesswork. However, I have had patients read off the 20/10 line with ease and no mistakes which indicated to me that they could go even smaller.

So, anyway I practically own those search terms on Google and that's how I got the attention of this producer. I told him that I knew a number of people who have read the 20/10 line but needed lenses to do it. I guess that's not what he is looking for.
Some patients can do 20/10 after LASIK, but usually fades to a solid 20/20 with time.

Still remember an ophthalmologist (Navy) years ago who may have purposely set the 20/20 line a tad "large" on his vintage AO POC.
 
Some patients can do 20/10 after LASIK, but usually fades to a solid 20/20 with time.

Still remember an ophthalmologist (Navy) years ago who may have purposely set the 20/20 line a tad "large" on his vintage AO POC.

Mine is an old AO projection chart using an incandescent bulb with shadows and dust specs. I also double check with a near chart held out to 32 inches...or more as needed. I've learned over the years that my patients seem to do better on others' eye charts.
 
?...I've learned over the years that my patients seem to do better on others' eye charts.
Some patients are surprisingly good at blur interpretation. Might be a cultural thing.

Who hasn't had a 3 y/o easily read 20/20 (Snellen) while older children or some adults will struggle with the letters.
 
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Some patients are surprisingly good at blur interpretation. Might be a cultural thing.

Who hasn't had a 3 y/o easily read 20/20 (Snellen) while older children or some adults will struggle with the letters.

So, Tom, my impression is that you are skeptical that patients who report 20/10 vision are either reading poorly calibrated eye charts or just good at guessing. :confused:
 
So, Tom, my impression is that you are skeptical that patients who report 20/10 vision are either reading poorly calibrated eye charts or just good at guessing. :confused:
To some extent, yes. BTW, I use a calibrated AO/Reichert POC, no mirrors.

Twenty + years ago when I was in the Navy, VA's were tested using random letters on multiple magnetic strips that could be quickly repositioned on a chart at exactly 20 feet from the patient. It usually took two corpsman to administer the test, one to see that the patient completely cover one eye and the other to point to the line to be read. Uncorrected 20/20 was required for flight training.

They probably use electronic charts now.
 
To some extent, yes. BTW, I use a calibrated AO/Reichert POC, no mirrors.

Twenty + years ago when I was in the Navy, VA's were tested using random letters on multiple magnetic strips that could be quickly repositioned on a chart at exactly 20 feet from the patient. It usually took two corpsman to administer the test, one to see that the patient completely cover one eye and the other to point to the line to be read. Uncorrected 20/20 was required for flight training.

They probably use electronic charts now.

There is a lot of variability in optotypes. But, I have had a few patients with documented 20/10 who have had that repeated at their other OD offices. You should not be so skeptical. I typically go many years before I have a patient who can read 20/10 naturally. But then I am not really aggressive about testing it because that slide is only in one room. With retinoscopy you can almost tell by the optics that the patient is going to do well. I had this one optometry student patient who was injured by LASIK complications and the best she could do in one eye with a mini-scleral was a poor 20/30. I made what I think was my first wavefront-guided lens for her and she could read the 20/10 line with ease. It was an incredible moment for both she and I. She would send me emails about going to sporting events and comparing her vision to her classmates. She said she could see iris color across a room.
 
Sea story time; I was once admonished (chewed out) for letting a candidate slip thru the vision test. Turned out that the fellow had simply written in his refractive error (Plano OU) and 20/20 vision. Wasn't my fault. Didn't matter. No apology was ever given. Commanding officers are never wrong.
 
Sea story time; I was once admonished (chewed out) for letting a candidate slip thru the vision test. Turned out that the fellow had simply written in his refractive error (Plano OU) and 20/20 vision. Wasn't my fault. Didn't matter. No apology was ever given. Commanding officers are never wrong.

Aha! That a**-chewing had an effect! You'll never slack off on another visual acuity test. :D
 
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Hollywood TV producer (Amazing Race, American's Next Model, etc.) is looking for people with natural 20/10 or better vision for new reality TV show.

Please PM me if you qualify or know someone who does.

"Natural" in what sense? Uncorrected? If so, I do not qualify; but, if with correction, you are welcome to send a Private Message to me.

Thanks.
 
I've often felt that 20/20 uncorrected vision was over rated. Could there be an evolutionary advantage to myopia? Does the "nearsighted" gene beat out the "warrior" gene?
 
I've often felt that 20/20 uncorrected vision was over rated. Could there be an evolutionary advantage to myopia? Does the "nearsighted" gene beat out the "warrior" gene?

Why do people seemingly instinctively want to have 20/20 vision? Is it peer pressure, cultural, what? Have you ever noticed that when you perform that myopic child's first eye exam who they almost invariably smile when the letters become clear and they read all of them? Why does that happen? Cultural thing?

I agree that people with "natural" 20/10 vision are doomed to inevitable disappointment as it degrades over time. However, if you have the ability to give someone 20/10 vision, would you, or just dumb them down to 20/20?
 
Why do people seemingly instinctively want to have 20/20 vision? Is it peer pressure, cultural, what? Have you ever noticed that when you perform that myopic child's first eye exam who they almost invariably smile when the letters become clear and they read all of them? Why does that happen? Cultural thing?

I agree that people with "natural" 20/10 vision are doomed to inevitable disappointment as it degrades over time. However, if you have the ability to give someone 20/10 vision, would you, or just dumb them down to 20/20?
Certainly a large cultural component. Eyeglasses are associated with being smart/successful. I've had kids who are motivated to wear eyeglasses because another classmate just got a pair. A fair number of teenagers do not want CL's.

Bernie Sanders is the only presidential candidate who wears eyeglasses. Maybe the other candidates should schedule an appointment.
 
Certainly a large cultural component. Eyeglasses are associated with being smart/successful. I've had kids who are motivated to wear eyeglasses because another classmate just got a pair. A fair number of teenagers do not want CL's.

Bernie Sanders is the only presidential candidate who wears eyeglasses. Maybe the other candidates should schedule an appointment.

Not what I was expecting. Also, you forgot Rick Perry. The glasses did not work for him. Donald Trump doesn't wear them either.
 
I agree that people with "natural" 20/10 vision are doomed to inevitable disappointment as it degrades over time. However, if you have the ability to give someone 20/10 vision, would you, or just dumb them down to 20/20?

I see a bit better than 20/10, and if you "plus me" to 20/20, I would probably burn down your office and salt the earth so no phoropter ever grew again.
 
I vision lab I was measured at 20/8 and 20/9. People were amazed I could see the letters fairly easily. No, like Steven my age and far sightedness has caught up, and not sure I can see even the 20/10 anymore. The up close for sur
I see a bit better than 20/10, and if you "plus me" to 20/20, I would probably burn down your office and salt the earth so no phoropter ever grew again.
don't worry young one, it will get to 20/20 someday anyways. (former 20/8 OD and 20/9 OS verified SUNY visual perception lab 1998)
 
I vision lab I was measured at 20/8 and 20/9. People were amazed I could see the letters fairly easily. No, like Steven my age and far sightedness has caught up, and not sure I can see even the 20/10 anymore. The up close for sur

don't worry young one, it will get to 20/20 someday anyways. (former 20/8 OD and 20/9 OS verified SUNY visual perception lab 1998)

But, do you remember what those days were like? Did you have like super-powers? This means essentially that you can see a billboard from twice the distance as a normal person.
 
I vision lab I was measured at 20/8 and 20/9. People were amazed I could see the letters fairly easily. No, like Steven my age and far sightedness has caught up, and not sure I can see even the 20/10 anymore. The up close for sur

don't worry young one, it will get to 20/20 someday anyways. (former 20/8 OD and 20/9 OS verified SUNY visual perception lab 1998)

But, do you remember what those days were like? Did you have like super-powers? This means essentially that you can see a billboard from twice the distance as a normal person.

The highest acuity I've been able to measure for myself in each eye is 20/6.3, which is what the charts went down to at one practice where I was (they were digital charts, shown on Apple monitors).
 
The highest acuity I've been able to measure for myself in each eye is 20/6.3, which is what the charts went down to at one practice where I was (they were digital charts, shown on Apple monitors).

OK Rahul, do you feel like you have super-powers with that kind of vision? Can you determine iris color across a 30 foot room or so?
 
But, do you remember what those days were like? Did you have like super-powers? This means essentially that you can see a billboard from twice the distance as a normal person.
Always had amazing sight, until my forties. Now it is just average. Did I feel special? No. I thought everybody could see that good.
 
The highest acuity I've been able to measure for myself in each eye is 20/6.3, which is what the charts went down to at one practice where I was (they were digital charts, shown on Apple monitors).
Lol, different times my lad. We had projectors, and the test back then was done on a..... Overhead projector. I would have liked to try on todays monitors.
 
OK Rahul, do you feel like you have super-powers with that kind of vision? Can you determine iris color across a 30 foot room or so?

I've always thought my superpower is being blissfully unaware of when I'm making the people around me feel uncomfortable.
 
Lol, different times my lad. We had projectors, and the test back then was done on a..... Overhead projector. I would have liked to try on todays monitors.

I've certainly used projected charts (and spot retinoscopes, too — :D), and there have been those on which I barely can make out 20/30. As you say, the quality of text makes a huge difference in the visual acuity one finds.
 
One result of doing streak retinoscopy is the appreciation one gets of the tremendous diversity of media optical quality. I'm always amazed at how some patients see so well with such poor looking optics. Once you start doing aberrometry on people then you see those imperfections in a more analytical presentation.