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Discussion in 'General Topics' started by AdminWolf, Mar 17, 2015.

  1. Gretchyn Bailey

    Gretchyn Bailey ODwire.org Supporting Member

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    Doing it for your own entertainment is the ONLY reason, IMO.

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  2. Michael W Ohlson

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    Might be time to move on, then.

    I really do care about the public good and the profession. Both. Moron.

    This is because I am stupid. I sense retirement, however. I don't sense acknowledgment of the significant issues facing optometry by various stake-holders. Certainly not to the masses. This occurs in all politics, not just optometry. The actual ODs care. ODwire demonstrates that. There are glaring absences in conversations, aren't there? Steven Nelson is totally mad, sure, and has a lot of weapons. But, he does care about the future of the profession and speaks up without a glimmer of fear re. popularity.

    Getting back to CE, there are many ways to educate doctors. The CEwire concept may allow increased effectiveness, efficiency, convenience, and a bit of fun. Address adult learning, reduce knowledge gaps (a bit like 'perverse incentive;' not an insult to anyone or a profession) to affect community health... you got somethin'.

    I assume CE politics will spiral into madness. I have come to expect this now, exactly like I anticipate gravity or VCP misunderstandings. Preparation helps.

    See how I got that back to CEwire, Paul?
     
  3. Paul Farkas

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    Thanks for that.

    We have to see how CEwire2015 plays out? Will there be a move to copy by state ,regional and national meetings?

    Will set boards expand hours for on line C/E or under pressure by live convention interests contract or eliminate?

    Who will be the approving body for accreditation? Continue to be COPE or will the AOA try to take control?

    Stay tuned...
     
  4. Tom Stickel

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    Can never have too much popcorn. At least until the zombies come.

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    [N Y allows up to 9 hours if interactive which begs the question, are these courses considered interactive? Is the NY board aware of these courses, and would they have an answer for me if I inquired? "AdminWolf, post: 583057, member: 1"] View attachment 6453
    http://www.cewire2015.com

    I'm happy to announce the launch of CEwire2015, ODwire.org's Virtual CE conference!

    We've gone all-out to give you A-list speakers (including a few ODwire.org regulars!) and 30+ COPE CE credits at a very low price.

    The show will also have a virtual exhibit hall, with many vendors showing off their latest products (with some show specials!)

    In addition to making it inexpensive to attend, profits from the event are going to charity.

    Read up on why we're doing this at the official conference wiki, and ask questions in this thread.

    Registration is open now, and early-bird pricing is in effect.

    We're looking forward to a fun show!

    Thanks,
    Adam, Paul & the all the folks at ODwire.org who volunteered & helped assemble the event!
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    NY allo
     
  6. AdminWolf

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    Mike, what do you think?
     
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    Michael W Ohlson

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    • Am I required to physically attend courses to meet the continuing education requirement?
      Answer: Yes. Optometrists must complete at least three-quarters of their continuing education hours by physically attending courses at the location where the course is being presented (27 of the 36 contact hours required for a 3 year registration). Up to one-quarter of the required hours may be completed via live instruction in a formal course of study offered through an alternate medium, provided the student is able to communicate and interact with the course instructor (a maximum of 9 contact hours out of 36).
    • What is "live instruction in a formal course of study offered through an alternate medium"?
      Answer: Live instruction in a formal course of study offered through an alternate medium are those courses in which you are not physically present at the location where the course is given, but you are able to interact with the instructor. For example: a telecourse or teleconference in which you and the instructor can speak directly with each other; a course in which you and other practitioners discuss a taped presentation with a facilitator's assistance; a computerized course in which you are able to interact directly with the instructor.

      Examples of activities not considered to be live coursework through alternate medium and therefore would not be acceptable include reading educational articles in journals, including those for which the licensee would complete and submit a test and televised lectures with no means of direct interaction, even if it is a live telecast

      To help facilitate the approval process, the Department has pre-approved the following sponsors of continuing education:
      • accredited colleges of optometry;
      • Council on Optometric Practitioner Education (COPE) approved coursework;
      • The American Academy of Optometry;
      • The American Optometric Association;
      • state societies (but not chapters);and
      • continuing medical education (CME) approved by the American Medical Association.
      If you are considering a course not offered by one of the providers in the above listing, please notify the provider that they may request prior approval of their course by completing Form 1-SBO ( [​IMG] 17 KB) and submitting it by mail to the New York State Board for Optometry, 89 Washington Avenue, Second Floor West, Albany, NY 12234-1000 or by fax 518-473-0567.

      If you are unsure whether a sponsor offering a continuing education program is approved, feel free to contact the Optometry Board by phone at 518-474-3817, ext. 591, by fax at 518-473-0567, or by e-mail at optombd@nysed.gov.

      http://www.op.nysed.gov/prof/optom/optomceques.htm


      I went to link above after Googling NY Board of Optometry. Copied a bit for you. I would ask the ODs to correspond personally with the board so as to allow for no misunderstandings. It reads as though 'direct interaction' with the instructor is key. I doubt laws and rules have caught up to technology in most jurisdictions.
    Editor's note: For those new ODwire.org, Dr Michael Ohlson is former chair of the Association of Regulatory Boards of Optometry (ARBO)
     
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    Thanks mike, i'm contacting the NY board now.

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  9. Paul Farkas

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    To cover "direct interaction with instructor", it will be necessary for the attendee to participate in the live lectures on May 16 and May 17 when the instructor is available to answer questions in real time.

    Taking the courses on demand afterwards will allow attendees to have the COPE approved courses but obviously no instructor will be present for 3 months 24/7. We will have topics underway on ODwire.org forums where questions may be asked and hopefully instructors will respond but not in real time.

    This approach should satisfy even most particular state board.

    My question to state boards is how do you make certain attendees to live courses at meeting absorb the material? How many in audiences sneak a look at their iPhone, iPad or a bit of shut eye for the 50 minutes?:rolleyes:
     
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    Paul Farkas commented..
    "My question to state boards is how do you make certain attendees to live courses at meeting absorb the material? How many in audiences sneak a look at their iPhone, iPad or a bit of shut eye for the 50 minutes?":rolleyes:

    That's a fair question. I've asked it many times. Add bored silly, newspapers, talking, stepping out and coming back just in time for the end, and so on. I don't learn well in lectures. I just do not.

    Medicine's CME can be quite... casual. So, it's often pointed out that optometry can be a bit more regimented. This is either stated as an example of doing something correctly or stated more as 'why can't we be like them?'

    Ultimately, you can't force someone to learn. Speakers vary. The aptness of the lecture varies. If the material isn't relevant to the OD learner's practice, there's a disconnect from the beginning.

    What if the material is little more than an advertisement?

    What's magical about 50 minutes?

    How does one ensure the OD learner will reflect upon the material? Will performance change? Will that result in improvements for patients?

    Nerd-losers think about these things.
     
  11. AdminWolf

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    Happy to announce another sponsor to the list -- Allergan has come on board. Looking forward to working with them at the show!

    Thanks,
    Adam
     
  12. Paul Farkas

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    Having time to visit with vendors.

    We have arranged the exhibit hall to be open one before and one hour after lectures. In addition there is a one hour break mid courses to allow participants to refresh themselves and also visit vendors who will have interesting presentations about their product.

    Sales reps will be available in real time.
     
  13. Gretchyn Bailey

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    Wow!
     
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    Just checking, will you accept registrations from international optometrists? Even for ~$130 AUD :mad: it would be good to tune in.
     
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    This is a fantastic idea, but I think Kentucky and Tennessee require that all CE be co-sponsored by an optometry school, a medical school, a state association, a regional association, or a national association, whether or not it is COPE approved. You have NOVA Southeastern listed as the test certifiers, but it would need to specifically say co-sponsored by them to count for those states. Can you work on that for the future?
     
  16. AdminWolf

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    I'm not sure what the proper verbiage is -- they aren't 'sponsoring' the event, but we sure as heck are paying them to grade the tests -- does that count?
     
  17. AdminWolf

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    Yes, it should work -- give it a shot and if your registration fails, send me a PM, we'll work through it...

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  18. Lynbeth Neal Lorey

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    My understanding is that their name has to be on the certificate. From the KY board website:

    "To be acceptable for license renewal, all continuing education must be sponsored by a state, regional (multi-state) or national optometric association*, an accredited college of optometry or an accredited college of medicine.
    *National optometric association would be the American Optometric Association, American Academy of Optometry, College of Vision Development and National Optometric Association.
    You must ensure that all COPE courses, and OEP courses are sponsored by a state, regional or national optometric association, an accredited school of optometry or an accredited college of medicine."
     
  19. AdminWolf

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    I don't understand this -- what if you went to Vision Expo, or took a course in a Jobson journal.... is this not the same thing as what we're doing? Have you been denied credit at those venues?
     
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    Yes! Both of them.